"You can't get there from here." ~~~~~It takes a twist of logic to see
this as topical for this group. However, you need to understand the
psychology of a sadist better. A sadist does not want a masochist
because they would beg for more. Unconscious or dead victims is more
akin to necrophilia. Interrogation gives a victim hope, even if they do
not know the answers. While I do not pretend to understand the
motivation, I do know their respective mindsets from interviews. I would
worry you would inform someone of the "perfect torture," but if there is
something that exists like that, it has been documented by the Nazis, if
no other source exists.
The pain of dissection would be to the point of causing unconsciousness,
so even an immobilizing drug like curare, which is highly toxic by
itself, will be of no consequence as shock sets in. Opiates would render
the victim unconscious as well.
If you find a legitimate source on lingchi or blood eagle, you will find
there is no way that can be done in which a sadist would be rewarded.
What you are asking for is only available in science fiction, mythology,
or fantasy. Torture comes from the medieval practice of twisting or
putting torsion on limbs. The greatest pain I have ever experienced
was when I hit my head crossing the door edge in a ship and pinched a
nerve at the atlas of my neck, causing me to pass out. The second
greatest was as my gallbladder died before I went to the emergency room
and they removed it. I cannot imagine what cancer is like.
If you have ever had pleurisy, that is nearly as painful and can be
sustained. You can mimic that in a number of ways, but it is not as
dramatic dissection. The worst pains a reader can imagine are ones we
have lived with and not been given a pain reliever. Otherwise, you are
dealing with necrophilia, not sadism.
During the Inquisition the inquisitors were not allowed to draw blood.
As blood loss causes quicker unconsciousness, that makes sense as a
practical matter. For a "death of a 1000 cuts" you need to stop or
restrict the bleeding to keep the blood pressure up to prevent shock and
monitor pain level with the pulse rate.
The fact of torture is that only a sudden change works. Slow increases
in pain stimulate the excretion of beta endophins like enkephlin.
Masochists want a "warm-up" with slow increases for this reason. A
masochist can be killed in ecstasy because all pain signals are
nullified and that has happened. Saints of Christianity were documented
to die this way.
Ultimately there are protocols and limits to be considered in which your
scenario and medical supplies would be of no help. My best understanding
of your goal is it is not possible and you do not realized this because
you do not understand pain, sadism, and/or dissection. In other words,
like the New Englander being asked for directions to a place not near a
road and not near where he lives or something else~~~ "You can't get
there from here..."
--- In forensic-science@yahoogroups.com, "The Saint" <chisum2@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Elias, thanks for responding, But I think you didn't see the clear
picture, The woman isn't a criminal from medevial times being tortured
for a confesion, she is being killed slowly by a sadistic killer who has
pleasure in discecting his victims until they die.
> As I mentioned I am a writer and I am writing a story. This isn't a
real life situation, all I asked for what would medical supplies would
be needed for this person to keep her alive long enough for the killer
to do what he is doing.
> Regards
> Clive
>
> --- In forensic-science@yahoogroups.com, elias ebai ebali1@ wrote:
> >
> > DEAR
> > I SUGEST THAT THIS WOMAN SHOULD CONFESS.
> > GIVE ME HER NAME AND WE SHALL PRAY FOR HER I BELIEVE GOD WILL DO
SOMETHING FOR HER THE ALMIGHTY IS ABLE IN ANY SITUATION WELL JESUS
CHRIST A MIRACLE MAKER I KNOW VERY WELL HE DOES.
> > GODBLESS YOU
> > I WAIT HEAR FROM YOU.
> >
> > --- En date de : Mer 5.10.11, The Saint chisum2@ a écritÂ
:
> >
> >
> > De: The Saint chisum2@
> > Objet: [forensic-science] Writer's notes
> > À: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mercredi 5 octobre 2011, 0h41
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, I am writing a story and in the story I have a character who is
being killed slowly.
> > The woman character is tied to a table and another character is
slowly dissecting her while she is still concious.
> > During the discetion what organs can be taken out while the person
is still living.
> > I am looking for a way so the woman is kept alive while the man is
taking her organs out and finally dies as her heart is removed.
> > What I am looking for is what medical supplies to keep her alive
while enduring the discection, i.e blood supply, drips, I.V's ect.
> > I look forward to hearing some ideas.
> > Many thanks,
> > Clive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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