It seems >98% of PETA are prochoice. A whale is a person and a fetus isn't? They get pretty steamed when asked to justify these views.
Aristotle -On Happiness--animals cannot be happy and therefore cannot be unhappy-it's a human only trait. Only humans have reason. Miserable is a human trait. Man has dominion over beasts (and also stewardship). We have laws against animal cruelty. Lifetime room and board for an Orca in exchange for millions of people to bond (or look favorably) upon the species is OK with me. Laws have been passed banning annoying or feeding Orcas. Harbor rules protect marine mammals. Marine sanctuaries have been established. Marine study in all aspects benefit from exhibiting live Orcas. Support for Greenpeace is likely aided also. Anything that brings the general public to consider the wonder and fragility of the marine environment helps. The total number of captive Orcas is miniscule relative to the overall population.
I think PETA and ACLU act irresponsibly on many issues and the issues they choose to publicize defy reason and common sense.
Bob S
--- In MARINE_BIOLOGY_INTERNATIONAL@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Mann" <grm.phd@...> wrote:
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> You just have to wonder what goes through the heads of PETA. (My
> personal oppion only). Have had to deal with some of these "green-peace
> do-gooders" when my educational program "Ocean Treasures" was
> operational. They are a trip!
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>
> --- In MARINE_BIOLOGY_INTERNATIONAL@yahoogroups.com, "MalcolmB"
> <malcolmb2@> wrote:
> >
> > (Miller-McCune)
> >
> > Five Orcas, Five Slaves or Five Persons?
> > PETA's lawsuit on behalf of five orcas at SeaWorld could end in a
> splash or a belly flop for animal rights.
> > By Sue Russell
> >
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> > One legal scholar, and proponent of achieving legal rights for
> nonhumans, sees a lawsuit by PETA to classify five SeaWorld orcas as
> slaves under the 13th Amendment could damage future animal rights law
> cases. (Jupiterimages)
> >
> > In late December we asked the provocative question "Should Animals Be
> Considered People?" in exploring the philosophy of legal scholar Steven
> Wise. Since 1984, Wise has followed a 25-year plan to have animals
> declared "legal persons" and afforded basic common law rights.
> > As we wrote then, "He hopes to bring the first lawsuit in 2012. A
> case, he says, will not be hard to find, although the exact plaintiff
> — circus elephant, research lab primate? — hasn't been
> determined."
> > An adjunct professor at Oregon's Lewis and Clark Law School, Wise is
> the founder and president both of the Center for the Expansion of
> Fundamental Rights and the Nonhuman Rights Project, the world's first
> nonprofit dedicated to achieving legal rights for nonhuman primates. The
> rights project currently comprises dozens of political scientists,
> sociologists, psychologists, lawyers, statisticians, cognitive
> scientists, primatologists, cetacean experts, public policy experts and
> others working quietly to ready the most powerful lawsuit they can. They
> are working to identify judges and jurisdictions that have previously
> shown themselves open to considering and embracing legal change. The
> lawsuit, Wise emphasized, had to be exactly right or it would be doomed
> to fail.
> > Last week Wise moved, not on his own lawsuit but as a so-called
> "friend of the court" in a previously filed case where the plaintiffs
> are "Tilikum, Katina, Corky, Kasatka and Ulises, five orcas." And while
> the center's amicus curiae motion and Wise's individual affidavit have
> been accepted by the court, neither the defendants nor the group
> representing the plaintiffs want him involved.
> > In October 2011, the animal rights activists' group, People for the
> Ethical Treatment of Animals, jumped the gun in Wise's eyes by filing a
> federal lawsuit against SeaWorld and its theme parks in San Diego and
> Orlando claiming the orcas were subject to "involuntary servitude." The
> orcas regularly entertain crowds at SeaWorld's theme parks. And the PETA
> humans behind the lawsuit, three marine-mammal experts and two former
> trainers — the orcas' "next friends," in legal parlance — want
> to see the five relocated from confined spaces to suitable sanctuaries.
> > "All five of these orcas were violently seized from the ocean and
> taken from their families as babies," PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk
> was quoted in a statement. "They are denied freedom and everything else
> that is natural and important to them while kept in small concrete tanks
> and reduced to performing stupid tricks. The 13th Amendment prohibits
> slavery, and these orcas are, by definition, slaves." That the 13th
> Amendment applies only to people, does seem to present a problem.
> > Wise agrees with PETA that the orca plaintiffs are, in moral terms,
> enslaved, and he sympathizes with PETA, but he is against the group's
> constitutionally based case. He considers it ill conceived, impossible
> to win, and capable of damaging future animal rights law cases.
> > Wise explained in a statement that the Rights Project's purpose is "to
> ensure that the orcas' best interests are being properly represented,
> their legal status is advanced, and that an unfavorable ruling inflicts
> the least possible harm on the development of an animal rights
> jurisprudence."
> > He's not surprised at SeaWorld's opposition to the Rights' Project's
> intervention in a case they might feel is already a slam dunk in their
> favor. SeaWorld has called PETA's suit "baseless and in many ways
> offensive," and a "publicity stunt."
> > In his own way, Wise tends to agree with that latter point. He
> surmises PETA is plowing ahead because "it wants the case `to go down in
> history as the first time that a U.S. court considers constitutional
> rights for animals.' Winning is beside the point." But losing, he adds,
> won't help the orcas and likely won't aid in building a foundation for
> "viable animal rights jurisprudence."
> > Since the five orcas were forcibly removed from the coastal waters of
> Iceland and British Columbia, Wise argues that those are still their
> legal domiciles. And he contends those nation's laws must determine
> whether or not the orcas have the capacity to sue and are "incompetent
> persons" must. For Corky, that means the law of British Columbia. For
> Tilikum, Katina, Kasatka and Ulises, it's the law of Iceland. This, he
> says, would have to precede "the issue of whether the orcas are slaves
> within the meaning of the 13th Amendment."
> > On January 26, over the objections of PETA and SeaWorld, District
> Court Judge Jeffrey T. Miller granted the Rights Project's request.
> SeaWorld has moved to dismiss PETA's case and on January 13, PETA filed
> a brief opposing its motion. Oral arguments will be heard Monday.
> >
>
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